Ep. 004: IS “THE CHOSEN” BIBLICAL?!? w/ Amanda Jenkins

Andrew Marcus:

Hey, this is Andrew Marcus, the Director of INDOUBT and the host of THE INDOUBT SHOW. Just want to let you know today, things are going to sound a little different. Yes, I will be interviewing Amanda Jenkins, who is the co-creator of The Chosen, but there are going to be other voices and a different segment that are taking place in this show that I want to just bring to your attention right off the bat.

So you’re going to hear a few other voices. You’re going to hear Chris, who is our audio engineer. He’s joining me with a couple of things, as well as Brendan, who does all of our video here at INDOUBT. He’s going to be joining me as well, and that actually happens every Monday on our YouTube show and on our podcast. Chris and Brendan join me, we have some talks before the interview, some talks after the interview to discuss what we’ve learned. And so, I encourage you to check that out, indoubt.ca, or wherever you listen to podcasts, or it’s on YouTube on The INDOUBT Show.

But we’re going to talk to Amanda Jenkins in just a few moments, and I hope you’re encouraged by it. And we talked about some great stuff. We also do a segment called Dangerous Doctrines, which you’re going to hear. That happens every now and then on The INDOUBT SHOW, on YouTube, and on our podcast. But we’re going to let you in on it, and we’re going to just talk about some of the dangerous doctrines that we need to be weary of and be aware of to protect ourselves, to make sure that what we are feeding ourselves is gospel truth. We hope you enjoy the show.

Well, hey, welcome to THE INDOUBT SHOW. We got a great show for you today. Lots to dive into. We got Amanda Jenkins all the way from Texas, on a Zoom call today, which I’m really excited about. She’s the co-creator of The Chosen. Maybe you’ve heard of it, maybe you’re one of the millions of people who have been watching and enjoying it. She’s going to be with us later, so we got lots to dive into. But before we do, we’re going to go through a segment right now and it is a good one. We’re going to go through Dangerous Doctrines.

Brendan:

Oh, my goodness.

Audio:

Whoa. Looks like it’s time for Dangerous Doctrines. Dangerous Doctrines.

Brendan:

Whose voice is that?

Andrew Marcus:

I don’t know, man. Okay, so what we want to talk about today is a theology or doctrine, a group of people, it’s called the Word of Faith Movement. Some of you might have heard the Word of Faith movement. It’s topics like prosperity, preaching or the name-it-and-claim-it, blab-it-and-grab-it, you know?

Brendan:

Yeah, yeah.

Andrew Marcus:

We’ve heard of that?

Brendan:

Oh, yeah.

Andrew Marcus:

Very popular. And so, the question is, is the Word of Faith movement biblical? Short answer, no. Long answer, noooooo.

Brendan:

I like the long answer better.

Andrew Marcus:

Yeah.

Brendan:

It’s so in-depth and contained.

Andrew Marcus:

But we want to walk through it. So I have some of the history I wrote out here, just I did a little search. The Word of Faith Movement grew out of the Pentecostal movement. Sorry, Brendan.

Brendan:

I’m sorry, guys. I’m sorry.

Andrew Marcus:

In the late 20th century. But its founder was E. W. Kenyon, who studied the metaphysical new thought teachings of Phineas Quimby, which was mind science, where name-it-and-claim-it was originated, was combined with Pentecostalism, which resulted in this blend of this orthodox Christianity and mysticism. So this is the history, where it came from. And so, then we see out of that, prosperity gospel, we see all these teachings about the name-it-and-clam-it, the health and wealth.

And so, we’re going to talk about this and we’re going to talk specifically within the context of the Word of Faith movement is the doctrine of positive confession. That’s what we want to talk about, positive confession, the fact that we can basically just speak things into existence. It’s ironic that the Word of Faith movement doesn’t emphasize the Word or have an understanding of faith. So it’s just a movement, technically.

Brendan:

A false movement.

Andrew Marcus:

It’s a false movement where there’s no Word and there’s really a wrong understanding of what faith is. Here’s some random quotes. This is what you would hear in this type of church. So if you’re attending a church, and this is what you’re hearing on your Sunday mornings, we would raise a red flag. “There is power in me to speak life and death.” This is something that they would say, “You call what you have, you say what you want.” Something they would say, “I know that I know that I know,” said one pastor, “… that as these programs are airing right now, I’m speaking something into existence.” This is a quote from a preacher.

So, speaking things into existence. Sounds like Genesis 1, where God creates, He speaks light and there’s light. So what this theology does is it really demotes God, brings Him down to make Him feel more human, and it actually promotes and deifies us as humans to be more like God. Here’s a tweet from a pastor, and I use the term pastor extremely loosely, “As spiritual beings who possess the nature of God, we have the ability to speak things into existence just like God did.” So no, no.

Dr. John Neufeld:

Cow patty hockey pucks!

Brendan:

Cow patties.

Andrew Marcus:

Yes, exactly. That is what that is.

Brendan:

Thank you Dr. John Neufeld.

Andrew Marcus:

So, for word-of-faith preachers, it seems like faith is the object of faith. Faith is a force that they can direct and almost twist the hand of God to make things happen, and he gets to do whatever they ask him to do, and that’s just not how it works. Here’s a quote that makes me squirmish. So listen to this, “You are supposed to control the weather. I mean, my husband is the primary weatherman in our house, but when he’s not there, I do it,” is what she says.

“Sometimes I’ll hear the thunder start and he’s sleeping and I’ll say, ‘Honey, wake up. You need to do something about this.'” “Honey, wake up, the weather’s changing. See, you are the one who has authority over the weather.” That’s how she says it.

Brendan:

Oh, my goodness.

Andrew Marcus:

“So you are the weatherman or the weatherwoman. So get out there, you talk to the tornadoes, tell it you are not coming here. I command you to dissipate. Dissipate.”

Chris:

Wow.

Andrew Marcus:

And then-

Brendan:

What is that woman on?

Andrew Marcus:

… thousands of people are like, “Woo.”

Brendan:

Yeah, we control the weather.

Chris:

That seems like… Just…A recipe for marital disaster.

Andrew Marcus:

Yeah. I was like, “Honey, why didn’t you stop the tornado, you jerk.”

Brendan:

God told me I had to keep it going.

Andrew Marcus:

And so I did.

Brendan:

And so I let the tornado destroy those homes. It was me.

Andrew Marcus:

Seriously though, they can control the weather.

Brendan:

That’s a lot of responsibility. I don’t know if you want to take that. You know what I mean?

Andrew Marcus:

And so, this particular lady, her husband, they have private jets, so they travel and say, “We don’t fly in bad weather.” I’m like, well-

Brendan:

Just tell the weather to move out of your flight path. It’s simple.

Andrew Marcus:

That’s actually what they think they can do. But they don’t travel in bad weather because they wait as well. But if you can-

Brendan:

Well pray … and then it goes it away.

Chris:

Yeah. Give time for God to be able to hear it.

Brendan:

Yeah, yeah.

Andrew Marcus:

Hey, long distance. It takes time.

Brendan:

He’s all the way up in-

Andrew Marcus:

It takes time.

Brendan:

Yeah, exactly.

Andrew Marcus:

Just hear it. But okay, so if we were to say, “Okay, you know what, they can.” Just bear with me for a moment.

Chris:

Okay.

Brendan:

I don’t know if I want to entertain this, Andrew. This is-

Andrew Marcus:

No. But it’s obviously heresy.

Brendan:

Okay. Let’s start with that, yeah.

Andrew Marcus:

It’s not biblical, but say they could, just for a moment. Don’t you think, just humor me for a second, if that’s true, that they can control the weather, shouldn’t they be in a lot of trouble for thousands of cases of negligent homicide?

Brendan:

What?

Chris:

Well, yeah.

Andrew Marcus:

Think about it, all the natural disasters in the world and thousands of people who die every year-

Brendan:

Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes.

Andrew Marcus:

… fires, floods-

Brendan:

That’s what I said.

Andrew Marcus:

… hurricanes, tornadoes.

Brendan:

That’s a lot of responsibility.

Andrew Marcus:

Technically they should-

Chris:

They could’ve stopped it.

Andrew Marcus:

They could’ve stopped it.

Brendan:

You guys didn’t…. If you’re watching this, you didn’t stop it. Shame on you, and you could’ve.

Andrew Marcus:

You could’ve.

Brendan:

You could’ve.

Andrew Marcus:

The reality? They can’t.

Brendan:

Wait, what? Really? Shocking.

Andrew Marcus:

And if you think you’re a weatherman or a weatherwoman, it’s just not how it works.

Brendan:

You could be a meteorologist-

Andrew Marcus:

That’s true.

Brendan:

… Did I say that correctly?

Andrew Marcus:

That’s true. Yeah. And that’s the only job where you can actually be wrong 98% of the time.

Brendan:

And still keep your job.

Andrew Marcus:

And still keep your job. These guys just-

Chris:

Well, apparently these guys that we’re talking about could be wrong.

Andrew Marcus:

That’s true.

Brendan:

Yeah.

Chris:

Even more, still keep their jobs.

Andrew Marcus:

And they still “preach” every Sunday. It’s crazy. So if you’re watching, if that’s a church that you’re attending, I would highly consider possibly leaving. Because the Word of Faith movement is very dangerous. There’s a lot of people who are following it because it’s just, it keeps the-

Brendan:

Feels good, man.

Andrew Marcus:

It just feels really good.

Brendan:

Sounds good.

Andrew Marcus:

It sounds good, it feels good. You have power, you have all these things. Yes, we do have power, yes, the Holy Spirit resides within us, but not to the point where we control the weather and can just speak things into existence and they just happen. And so, that’s this week’s Dangerous Doctrines. If you go to that church, stop, go somewhere else. Yeah, that’s all I got to say about that matter.

Hey, we got a great interview for us today. I’m really excited. Our Zoom call’s pretty much almost ready, I think. We have Amanda Jenkins. She is a co-creator of The Chosen, which is a show that is getting very, very popular. Have you seen The Chosen?

Brendan:

Oh, yeah.

Andrew Marcus:

Have you seen The Chosen?

Chris:

I have not.

Andrew Marcus:

You have not.

Brendan:

I’m only a couple episodes… but I’m in season three, though. It’s nuts.

Andrew Marcus:

Yeah, I just started watching. Because I’m like, “Ah, I like to see what it’s all about.” And you know what? They do admit right off the top, first episode, the little disclaimer, this is basically, “If you want to know about the gospels, read the Bible,” is basically what they say. And so that’s important to know. We don’t watch this in lieu of reading your Bible. Bible is important. That’s the absolute truth. Of course, they have creative liberties in creating a show, especially however many seasons they are. So, it’s not literal Bible, and so we’re going to ask her about that. See what she says about that, see what the response has been from viewers. But I do have to say I wept basically every episode.

Brendan:

Same.

Andrew Marcus:

Just to kind of, you’re aware of the reality that these people were just real people. And maybe Matthew wasn’t on the spectrum, but you just get a glimpse of that they were just real people.

Brendan:

It feels real. It feels human.

Andrew Marcus:

Yeah.

Brendan:

The show feels human. That’s the best way I could describe it.

Andrew Marcus:

Yeah, it just reminded me, oh, yeah, they were just people. So anyways, we’re going to jump into this interview and just ask her some questions. I’m really excited about it. I think she’s ready to go. So let’s jump right in.

Awesome. We have Amanda Jenkins with us today. Thank you so much for joining us, Amanda.

Amanda Jenkins:

Glad to be here. Thanks for having me.

Andrew Marcus:

This is awesome. I know you guys are very limited on how many interviews you can do, so we’re very, very grateful for today. Before we even dive into everything, tell us a little bit about your journey, your story, and how it connects with how The Chosen was birthed.

Amanda Jenkins:

Well, I think when you’re married, your story becomes your spouse’s story.

Andrew Marcus:

Yes.

Amanda Jenkins:

So, when Dallas had a real career failure in 2017, it was a rough time. And not knowing how we were going to pay our bills, let alone go forward. So he had had this idea put on his heart, but in the midst of the rubble, no way to go forward. And so, that really started our process of living out our faith in this entirely next level way of just each step was lit. It’s like, if it’s not lit, you don’t take the step.

And so, that’s really been our journey to where we are now, in just the sense of everything being taken away, and “How are you going to pay this bill?” “I’ll answer that tomorrow.” “And how are you going to afford groceries?” “I’ll answer that as soon as your cupboards are bare.” So it was this really scary but also amazing experience of walking toward this, okay, and you’re going to tell the stories of Jesus and, okay, I guess we’re doing that now, because we have no other options, and the Lord just providing every step of the way. So that’s been our recent journey anyway, towards The Chosen.

Andrew Marcus:

Wow, that’s amazing. I feel like most people, of course, they just want to make sure they know what’s going on. So to be so dependent on God, as you said, is scary. But also, there must be so beauty looking back and seeing his faithfulness.

Amanda Jenkins:

Yeah. No, I would do it all again, but I probably wouldn’t volunteer in the moment. It’s like, this is amazing. But next time I’m required, it’ll take me a minute because it’s always-

Andrew Marcus:

Yeah, of course.

Amanda Jenkins:

… it never really stopped-

Andrew Marcus:

Isn’t that crazy? That’s amazing. So when the dream started and The Chosen started, what were you guys thinking as far as the target audience there? What did you think would happen with a story about Jesus in a climate today that he’s not the most popular guy?

Amanda Jenkins:

Like I said, we had no options. We really didn’t think about it a whole lot. Our hearts were so soft to the Lord. When you’re crushed and grieving, your perspective is different. And so, I would say we were totally excited about the content and what God was showing us. I didn’t really think a whole lot about how it was going to land. I know it’s been surprising, the wide age range and the cross-cultural, the fact that it just doesn’t seem like there are barriers, almost feels like a modern-day speaking in tongues, where it’s kids are understanding. I don’t know why kids are understanding. It’s not written for kids.

And sometimes we have special needs people understand that it has been mind-boggling and amazing. So it’s just watching that there are no boundaries on this message that God is sending out, and just getting a front row seat to that. So, I think we gave up, along with not knowing how to pay our bills, I honestly think we gave up a plan for demographics and how we’re going to get this out and who’s going to be interested. We just made what God put on Dallas’s heart to make, and it landed where it has landed. And so, I don’t know. Is that a weird answer to your question? I don’t know.

Andrew Marcus:

No, that that’s the best answer, because I feel like it’s just important for people to hear the power and the significance of just letting go of what we want or what our plans are, or our goals or dreams and just laying them at the feet of Jesus and actually seeing him do what only he could do. Oftentimes, we try to cling tight to our plans, but that’s the perfect answer. And I think that’s what people need to hear.

Amanda Jenkins:

Yeah. We try to fit him into our thing. I think I was doing that for a lot of years. And when my thing blew, it was like, “Okay, we’ll try your thing,” and that was so much better. So yeah, it’s a hard-learned lesson, but one I think we’ve learned. And I’ve said now, going forward, it’s like I don’t want to do anything different. I don’t ever want to be off God’s program. So yeah, once you learn it, you really learn it.

Andrew Marcus:

Yeah, and you wouldn’t have unless the hardship came, which is, they go hand in hand, but He’s so faithful. Wow, that’s amazing. That’s amazing. Tell us about… So I’ve been watching it. I’ve had friends for years all around the world telling me, “Have you seen The Chosen? Have you seen The Chosen? Have you seen The Chosen?” I have a friend in Arizona and she builds car interiors for these restoration cars, and we talk all the time, and she always keeps telling me, “You got to watch it, you got to watch it, you got to watch it.” And so, I started watching it, and I kid you not, every single episode, I’m just bawling.

Amanda Jenkins:

I know.

Andrew Marcus:

I’m bawling every single…

Amanda Jenkins:

Dude, I know.

Andrew Marcus:

It’s crazy.

Amanda Jenkins:

I know. Yeah, I’ve seen it. I’ve read scripts, I watched it on set when it was being shot 20 times in a row and I’ll still cry. I’m like, “What, ah.”

Andrew Marcus:

It’s so beautiful. I know people, some people are hesitant, because, of course, there’s creative liberties. And even myself, I’m a songwriter, and so you take scripture and you create music. Maybe the language changes a bit, but the message is still the same. And so I know there’s some hesitation from some people about, “Okay, is this literal, et cetera?” I’m still bawling, because I’m just imagining, okay, if Jesus was sitting, eating at the table with me, or when I watch Jesus play with the kids, or when you see the fish and how it’s just like when they’re fishing and he’s just laughing as they’re getting so panicked in the season one.

And I’m just like, you can imagine just those moments. Of course, you have creative liberties with certain things, even Matthew’s character or there’s other things that, there’s some creative liberty, but how do you navigate that with viewers? I know some people will watch the show and maybe stop reading the Bible and just like, “This is going to be my Bible time or my devotion.” So how do we respond, maybe, to some of the viewers who are only watching?

Amanda Jenkins:

Well, I’ll tell you the majority of feedback anyway, so no doubt there’s all kinds of things happening that we don’t hear about. But the feedback that we’re getting is, “This drove me to my Bible,” again and again and again, which is our, I mean, that’s like the end game for us. In fact, that’s why I do the writing of all of our extra content is, because it was really on our hearts that in between seasons… I’ve binged shows before. I know in between seasons I want, I miss it and I want to return to that.

And so, we wanted to give people something to do who want to go deeper. And so that’s why we have all of our extra content, because we do want the show to be a tool to push people back to scripture. And so while the show is, I mean, probably, I don’t want to throw it out and cause, give more fuel to this fire, but there’s 90% of it’s not in the Bible if it’s in the show, because you don’t see in the Bible all the in-betweens, the sermons.

Andrew Marcus:

Yeah, the little details. Yeah.

Amanda Jenkins:

Yeah. What do you talk about over breakfast and what do you talk about on the road to Samaria? And none of that’s in scripture. And so all that’s really conjecture, but it’s steeped in what we do know is true. And what we are finding is that it’s driving people back to scripture. Whether it’s because they’re like, “Oh, is that in the Bible? I’m going to go check.” And then they go, “Oh, that’s not.” Or, “Oh, my gosh, I had no idea that was in the Bible. I had never even read it that way.” And then I think when people do read their bibles, I think it’s coming to life.

People have said, “The Bible was in black and white for me, and now it’s in color.” I think you read it differently when you’re starting to put facial expressions on Jesus, just versus the stoic, stained-glass window depictions that we’ve seen in the past. And so I actually think it’s driving more people back to scripture. If it becomes a substitute for scripture, you probably weren’t really in the scripture beforehand, and so glad you’re in at least something now.

And so, we don’t ever view the show as doing all the work, because it’s just a step toward, or maybe it softens somebody’s heart who’s been hurt by the church or who hasn’t been in the church for a long time. I mean, those are the things… We look at the show as a stepping stone back toward or towards Jesus for the first time. But the Bible is really where you got to land. And that’s, people still have to choose that. So I think we hear that more often that it’s actually pushing people back to scripture.

Andrew Marcus:

That’s amazing. It’s the same thing with even a Sunday morning. I remember at my old church, the pastor would always say, “Hey, I can’t read your Bible for you.” You got to do the work, like you said. And so, it just points us to getting in there. I was reading my Bible last night and I was in Matthew, and I just couldn’t help but think of the character Matthew. And not that Matthew’s exactly like that character, but it just opened my mind to just think more about the disciples or think more… Even the episode where Jesus is sitting with the kids and he’s teaching them different things and he’s making jokes with them. And I’m like, “I’m pretty sure Jesus was funny.” We don’t think about it, but if the kids were hanging out with him-

Amanda Jenkins:

He was invited to go places. People liked hanging out with him. So, what would that mean? And I think that’s how the writers usually do it. I mean, they say, okay, here’s Matthew, he’s isolated. He’s given up all of his familial and friendships and whatever, all these relationships he’s given up, what would cause somebody to do that? And then you work backwards and go, “Okay, well, perhaps this or perhaps that.” But yeah, I do think we read these characters and forget that they were real people. And so, when you’re able to put these faces to names and their histories and realizing, okay, they did have families, whether it was this family that we depict or some other family, it becomes more interesting. It just becomes more colorful.

Andrew Marcus:

Yeah, totally. And even, you read through scripture about Jesus spending time with kids, and usually when I think today, who do kids like to spend time with? Someone who’s fun, someone who gets their attention, and so I’m like, ah, it just, it opened my mind and I really appreciated that when I was reading my Bible, just things coming to life. Like you said, black and white to color. I appreciate that.

I think one of the stories that’s so fascinating, and I mean, the fact that a show about Jesus is as popular as this just blesses my heart, because I just feel like that is so incredible in today’s climate. But I think the story of the funding is just so unique to the show. And even just thinking about the bread and the fish and the multiplication. Could you share some of the testimonies of just how that has happened? Because I think that would really encourage some of our listeners.

Amanda Jenkins:

Well, yeah. I mean, that we had no money, so we had an idea. We had no money, and so that’s part of the way that God has kept control of his own content, I would say. We’re not beholden to studios or Hollywood or any anyone else. And so, the thing about crowdfunding is, first of all, we didn’t think it would work. Dallas thought he’d raise about $800 and call it a day. So the first season raised 10 million. It was mind-boggling and a miracle. And so, then you go, “Okay, I’m aware of whose program we’re on, because this isn’t normal.”

And then it wasn’t just big dollar amounts. It was like we would get a cheque for $23.17 cents and see a note attached that said, “This is all I can give, but I want to give it, because God’s putting it on my heart to give.” And then you’re like, okay, that is actually almost more, first of all, beautiful, because it’s like the widows might story, where she just gave all that she had and how that was more precious to Jesus. But it became more precious to us, too, and wanting to just steward it, and realizing God is going to tell his stories through his people, and it’s not just us.

Because we can’t do it by ourselves. We’re doing it with brothers and sisters all around the world. So the crowdfund piece has been really, I think, a picture of the way God does things unconventionally. He plays by his own rules, and he also includes all of his kids in what he’s doing in kingdom building. So yeah, it’s been unbelievable. And I think those stories of the little donations here and there that just wow us and keep us on task, I would say.

Andrew Marcus:

Wow. So basically, moral of the story, all this happened because you were broke and broken. Isn’t that crazy? And then look what God does, and then he gets a hundred percent of the glory. It’s just-

Amanda Jenkins:

A hundred percent.

Andrew Marcus:

… It’s just so beautiful. It’s so beautiful. I’m so excited how God is using the program and just seeing Christ centered through it all. What’s next for The Chosen? What are you guys working on now?

Amanda Jenkins:

Well, next, next, as in today, next is we’re opening in theaters. So the last-

Andrew Marcus:

Amazing.

Amanda Jenkins:

… two episodes are going to be, well, I shouldn’t say opening, I mean, we’re back in theaters. And that’s just been a cool thing, because, first of all, it’s fun. You get to see it big, which I’ll just say these last two episodes deserve to be seen that way. But also, it’s just cool that it does send a message to the world, and it does get a lot of attention. And that’s really what we’re doing it for. It’s just like, let’s get Jesus bigger, let’s make it known that this is available.

When people in Hollywood see these things, they go, “What on earth is happening over there?” And theaters then extend the showings and it’s more available to more people who wouldn’t otherwise know that there was an app. So it’s opening in theaters. There’s also our app, which is always new things, new interviews, new behind-the-scenes, new announcements, new books, new all the things that you can see there. So yeah, it’s exciting stuff. I feel like I can’t even keep track of everything that’s new. So I don’t know-

Andrew Marcus:

Totally.

Amanda Jenkins:

… I’ll go onto my app after this interview and I’ll find out what’s new.

Andrew Marcus:

That’s amazing. That’s… And it’s on Netflix, which is awesome. Very accessible to everybody.

Amanda Jenkins:

Yeah, we’re on Netflix, Peacock, Amazon, the first, possibly even second season. Like I said, I can’t even keep track. But the newest stuff is on the app. But yeah, we’re on all those places. Just more Jesus and more places, that’s our hope.

Andrew Marcus:

I love it. Jesus is getting bigger and bigger.

Amanda Jenkins:

Yes. On the airwaves.

Andrew Marcus:

Yes. Yeah, I know, I know. I mean, His name, His name and His story, is getting in front of more and more people. That’s just beautiful.

Amanda Jenkins:

Yeah, yeah.

Andrew Marcus:

And I love that you mentioned it, a lot of the feedback from viewers is it’s actually pointing them to their Bibles, because they just want to read more about who He is and these characters, which is so cool.

Amanda Jenkins:

Yep, absolutely.

Andrew Marcus:

That’s amazing. That’s amazing. Praise God. Last question for you. I am Egyptian, 36 years old. I can do a fantastic Middle Eastern accent. Is there any chance? Is there any chance? I can do a great extra, behind-the-scenes, main character?

Amanda Jenkins:

There’s always a chance. It’s not easy to-

Andrew Marcus:

There’s always a chance, folks. You’ve heard it here first.

Amanda Jenkins:

Making a Middle Eastern show in Texas, we run out of people, that’s true.

Andrew Marcus:

So you guys are recording in Texas?

Amanda Jenkins:

We’re in Texas, yeah.

Andrew Marcus:

Okay.

Amanda Jenkins:

We’ve built some sets and we’ve, our family has relocated, and that’s where we’ll be for next few years.

Andrew Marcus:

Wow, amazing. I might have to make a trip out there.

Amanda Jenkins:

There you go.

Andrew Marcus:

I was in drama in grade 10. I got an A.

Amanda Jenkins:

You’ve got all the things.

Andrew Marcus:

I got all the things.

Amanda Jenkins:

We have all the parts.

Andrew Marcus:

Hey, we so appreciate your time. Thank you so much. We’ll be praying for you as you guys continue-

Amanda Jenkins:

Thank you.

Andrew Marcus:

… to create, and to God be the glory.

Amanda Jenkins:

Thank you so much. Thanks for having me.

Andrew Marcus:

Hey, thanks so much for joining us today. For more great content, check out the INDOUBT show on YouTube, Spotify, Apple Music, or wherever you stream your podcast. We hope you enjoyed it today. Feel free to check out indoubt.ca. We have some great resources available to you. Have an awesome day.