Ep. 184: The Voices of indoubt

Kourtney Cromwell:
Welcome to the indoubt Podcast where we explore the challenging topics that young adults often face. Each week, we talk with guests who help answer questions of faith, life, and culture, connecting them to our daily experiences and God’s Word. For more info on indoubt, visit indoubt.ca or indoubt.com.

Kourtney Cromwell:
Hey, everyone. Thanks for joining us. My name’s Kourtney, the indoubt Coordinator, and it’s so good to have you listening. Last week, I let you know that we’re going to be introducing some changes to indoubt. And in this episode, you’ll hear their voices. You’re going to hear Ben Lowell who oversees the ministry of indoubt introduce them. The purpose of this episode is to give you the chance to get to know each of them as we move forward with these new changes. Keeping the same indoubt purpose, engaging views on faith, life and culture, and ultimately teaching the Bible.
We’re welcoming back a previous host of indoubt, Isaac Dagneau, introducing a new host, Joshua Scott, and joining us as well is our most recent partner, Daniel Markin. I’m excited for what the future holds of indoubt, and I hope that you are too. Basically the goal is to give you the same indoubt but with more perspectives. So we’ll be alternating these guys and having guests join them the same as usual. If you have any questions, comments, or suggestions about this new transition, you can email me at info@indoubt.ca. That’s all from me, and I hope that you enjoy this episode.

Ben Lowell:
Hi. My name’s Ben Lowell, and I’m one of the leaders of Good News Global Media. The ministries of Good News Global Media include the ministry indoubt, which you’re listening to right now.
Well, today I have an exciting privilege of introducing to you the new host and partners in ministry, three guys that are going to participate with the ministry of indoubt. Now first of all, I have to introduce this guy because you will have known him, and he’s meant so much to this ministry and to indoubt. And once we had decided that we were going to take this new train of thought, I had to call him. I called Isaac Dagneau. We had coffee, and I said, “Isaac, would you be part of this ministry again? People miss you. Would you do that?” And so I want to introduce Isaac. Isaac, thanks for being here.

Isaac Dagneau:
Absolutely. Happy to be here.

Ben Lowell:
It’s great to have you. As you reflect on indoubt, what was special about the opportunity?

Isaac Dagneau:
Oh man, there’s probably lots I could say. One thing that I think personally is I was able to benefit so much with networking with so many different people, engaging topics that I wouldn’t have actually thought about engaging before, and having the opportunity to actually share biblical truths that engage those topics and be able to kind of be able to serve the greater young adult kind of community across Canada and the world with those things. But there’s so much. I don’t recall you by the way saying anyone missed me. So thank you.

Ben Lowell:
They did. They did. We heard from all. All of a sudden, on a daily basis.

Isaac Dagneau:
Sure. Sure.

Ben Lowell:
Isaac, welcome back.

Isaac Dagneau:
Thank you. Happy to be here.

Ben Lowell:
Yeah, it’s great to have you.

Ben Lowell:
Now I want to introduce to you one of our new hosts, Joshua Scott. Joshua, welcome.

Joshua Scott:
Yeah, thanks, Ben. It’s good to be here.

Ben Lowell:
Yeah. Now tell me a little bit about yourself, where you are, and why you would even want to do this.

Joshua Scott:
Good questions. So I currently work as the Young Adult’s Pastor at Maple Ridge Baptist Church, but I’ve been there for about three years. Before that I spent a couple years in Saskatchewan studying at Briercrest. Before then, growing up in Jasper, Alberta right in the Rocky Mountains. And what gets me excited about a Young Adult’s ministry like this, like indoubt is the very fact that the life moment of a young adult is such an incredibly important transition. You’re moving from these things that you’re taught and you’re raised with if you grew up in the church or things you’re raised with that are outside of the church, and suddenly everything becomes real. Suddenly you’ve got to take this out on your own. You’re no longer under your parent’s house sometimes. Often you’ve got to make real life decisions.
This is where it gets real. This is where you have to decide, “Am I going to follow Jesus? Is that going to define my life,” or, “No, actually, I’ve never believed any of this ever.” And so this is such a critical moment to realize, “Yeah, the things that I’ve been taught actually have a firm foundation, not just in my parents ideas of what the world is and what life is but actually in the Word of God, and that Word of God is rooted in history.” And it’s so well describes how we then ought to go forward into our lives. And there really is a solid foundation. Jesus wasn’t kidding when he said you build your life on a rock if you follow and obey these things. There’s a rock to stand on. And that’s an exciting thing, and I think even being a young adult myself, that’s something that I need to press on into the rest of my life. I want to know that there’s a rock to stand on, and I think that’s a great blessing that indoubt can be a part of, of showing young adults what this rock is, and this rock is the Word of God.

Ben Lowell:
And now someone else I want to introduce and he’s going to participate with indoubt. We’re excited about that. Daniel Markin, I’ve known you for not very long. But, Daniel, welcome, man. Thanks for wanting to be part of what we’re doing here in indoubt. Tell us a little about yourself and why you would even venture to be part of this.

Daniel Markin:
Well, Ben, thanks again for bringing me on, and I’m excited about this. A little bit about myself. I grew up here in Abbotsford. I was actually a missionary kid. So when I was six years old, my dad got a job here at a church in Abbotsford, and been living here since. I’m lucky enough now I went off, did my college degree at a school in Chicago. Came back and now I’m working on my master’s. I think, Josh, I don’t know if you mentioned this, but Josh has just finished up what’s called an Immerse Program, and I’m doing an Immerse Program as well. It’s a master’s program that you do while working immersed in a local church. So it’s part-time work, part-time study. So you’re getting a lot of practical on the ground ministry. So my placement is with Andy Steiger and our Young Adults Ministry at Northview. That’s been a real passion of mine.
And the reason that I’m excited about this program and very excited about Young Adult Ministry is because in my high school years, I watched a lot of my friends walk away from the faith. And especially if I talk about my like six guys in my high school core group, they all walked away. And I was the only one left, and for a time, that really… You can wear that as a badge of pride for a time, and only as the Lord has been working in me has he given me a heart for those who have walked away. I realized that it’s only by grace that I didn’t walk away, and it’s only by grace that he will bring them back.
So the heart for me and working in young adults and being a part of something like indoubt is how do we provide answers to young adults so they don’t walk away from the church, and more than that, how do we get them to love their Bibles and love the Word of God. If we actually believe it is his inherent, infallible word, right? If this is God’s Word that is breathed out. 2 Timothy 3:16, right? It’s God’s breathed word. If it’s his word, then we should follow it and believe it. So I’m excited about the Word. I’m excited about scripture. I’m excited about theology, and I want other young adults to be excited as well.

Ben Lowell:
This is very cool. Thanks. I want to move on a little bit here because I got some really important questions to ask you, and I want to start off right off the bat. We have a Coordinator, the indoubt Coordinator. You probably, if you’re listening, you probably hear her at the beginning and end of the show. Her name’s Kourtney. But she’s given me these questions to ask you guys just to get things going. So here we go.
Who is your favourite superhero? Isaac.

Isaac Dagneau:
You know what, my wife bought me a shirt with The Flash on it, Barry Allen, The Flash, and I always… I told her before that I really do like The Flash. I don’t know why exactly. He can run fast. If I had to pick one, and he’s kind of cool. He can run really fast, right?

Ben Lowell:
And you have the outfit.

Isaac Dagneau:
I do, at home, of course. Wear it every night.

Ben Lowell:
So, Joshua.

Joshua Scott:
Oh, man. That’s a tough question. I’m going to have to go with Captain America.

Ben Lowell:
Captain America.

Joshua Scott:
I respect him for his leadership. That’s the thing that I love for Captain America. In terms of a superhero, he’s not crazy, outstanding. Like yeah, he’s strong. But he’s a leader, and I respect that in Captain America. He makes the call. So I go with Captain America.

Ben Lowell:
That sounds a little bit leadership. I thought you would be like, “Oh, no. I can jump a mountains or I can tear things apart or whatever.” It’s his leadership. I like this leadership. But thanks.

Joshua Scott:
You’re welcome.

Isaac Dagneau:
He loves the patriotism.

Joshua Scott:
That’s right. I love America.

Ben Lowell:
Daniel.

Daniel Markin:
So to answer your question, my favourite Avenger or superhero I think is Ironman.

Ben Lowell:
Ironman.

Daniel Markin:
I like Ironman, yeah.

Ben Lowell:
Okay, guys, I want to ask you a few more questions just to get the audience to understand who you are a little bit more and what you’re about. So what’s your favorite thing you do on the weekend?

Joshua Scott:
Well, if you caught me on the golf course on a Saturday, trust me, I’d be smiling.

Ben Lowell:
Are you a golfer?

Joshua Scott:
I’m a golfer, through and through. Golfer, curling. These are the cool sports.

Isaac Dagneau:
You really are Canadian.

Joshua Scott:
Thank you.

Isaac Dagneau:
You are.

Joshua Scott:
That’s what my friends tell me sometimes.

Ben Lowell:
That’s great. Isaac, now you don’t golf, but I know you do Frisbee golf.

Isaac Dagneau:
Well, actually I do golf. I’ve golfed on all of our-

Ben Lowell:
Our golf events, you’ve golfed there. Yeah.

Isaac Dagneau:
I’m just terrible. So I’m actually really happy that Joshua likes it because maybe he can take that place. That would be great. Yeah, disc golf. It’s not Frisbee golf. That’s like saying Kleenex and tissue. Kleenex is the brand, tissue’s the actual product. So Frisbee’s a brand, disc is the actual thing. I got very-

Ben Lowell:
I stand corrected.

Joshua Scott:
Isaac seems a little defensive on that one.

Ben Lowell:
But what do you do on your weekends? Is that something you do or what’s your favorite things to do?

Isaac Dagneau:
I think, well, family time is huge. So I love… I know that’s kind of like the cheesy cliché thing to say, but it’s true. I just love hanging out with my wife and my daughter. And not going to lie, love being able to sleep in a little tiny bit. So sleep in until, I don’t know, 7:00-7:30, something like that. It’s like awesome. So that’s really nice. What else do I do? I love going out. So I always love just going somewhere, whether that means Ikea, get some frozen yogurt and a cinnamon bun, stuff like that.

Ben Lowell:
Wow. All right. Daniel.

Daniel Markin:
Ideal Saturday is wake up after sleeping in. Sunday, wakes up.

Ben Lowell:
There was a delay after wake up, and I was a little bit concerned about that. But wake up and then-

Daniel Markin:
Wake up, make sure I’m alive.

Ben Lowell:
Okay.

Daniel Markin:
Then, you know what, I try to sleep in as long as possible.

Ben Lowell:
Nice.

Daniel Markin:
So I got you beat, Isaac, maybe like 10 o’clock I wake up and kind of lie around for as long as I can. The goal on a Saturday is to try and drink a coffee at some point. That’s just relaxing.

Ben Lowell:
If you were going to somewhere with a buddy, what would you be doing?

Daniel Markin:
I don’t know if I have any buddies.

Joshua Scott:
That’s sad.

Daniel Markin:
Oh, it just depends. I have no idea. It could be anything.

Joshua Scott:
I’d say board games are one of those things. Like in terms of my friend group, my buddies. When we hang out, oftentimes we’ll pull out a deck of cards or we’ll pull out some sort of game.

Ben Lowell:
You’re playing, what? A deck of, what?

Joshua Scott:
A deck of cards.

Ben Lowell:
Are you allowed to do that now? Is that-

Joshua Scott:
It’s true. We’ve discovered that it’s biblically sound.

Isaac Dagneau:
Is it? Is it not gambling? Is it not gambling there?

Joshua Scott:
I didn’t say there was money involved. Just emotion.

Ben Lowell:
Good. Good.

Joshua Scott:
So that would be hanging out with my buddies. We play all sorts of games, but we also go off and we just do things. And that could be anything. Going to Bard on the Beach tomorrow night with a couple friends. So all sorts of things.

Ben Lowell:
Yup. So you’re into Shakespeare. You’re just into Bard on the Beach.

Joshua Scott:
You know, I’ve never been to Bard on the Beach, but I do enjoy some good Shakespeare.

Ben Lowell:
Oh, there you go. There you go. I do enjoy… You don’t always hear those words. I do enjoy some good Shakespeare. Sorry. Got to get more out of you other than being the family though.

Isaac Dagneau:
When it comes to hanging out with friends?

Ben Lowell:
Yeah.

Isaac Dagneau:
Well, I haven’t played disc golf for a few years, but I do enjoy playing disc golf. Seriously, you got me in a tight spot here. I’ve also been very busy with Immerse, well not Immerse stuff but my school. I’m like usually my Saturdays just like stay at home. I need to probably get out and see my friends.

Ben Lowell:
What’s your favourite thing about church?

Daniel Markin:
That’s a big, that’s a huge question. Okay. I would say having community on a consistent basis is got to be one of the strongest things about being a part of a church is you have that accountability. You have those people in your life who are going to say, “Hey, you can continue to run this race when times are tough.” And then in turn, you have that obligation and that opportunity… Maybe obligation’s not the right word. You have that responsibility to also speak into their lives and to encourage them in the faith. But being able to go weekly and be reminded with your friends. Because, I mean, when we worship, we’re not just there having our own little worship moment. We’re gathered with our friends and family and people that we know and people we’ve grown up with. And as time goes on, these friends just grow and grow and grow in these friendships. And so there is an amazing element of worshipping with our friends. But we are there together remembering Christ together and laughing together. In a world where there are so many different messages being thrown at you, you try and maximize that as much as possible. I believe that we should be trying to spend as much time as we can with other believers who can keep us from going astray.

Ben Lowell:
Huge.

Isaac Dagneau:
Yeah. I think just to kind of almost summarize yours. When you say favourite part about church, that’s the people. So it’s everything. But I’ll just think specifically with just your service time, your regular service time. It’s just this awesome time, formal time where everyone knows we’re going to be equipped for the work of ministry. And that’s awesome that we all come together, and I know that at our church, we’ll get together with some of the different people from all ages beforehand and we’ll just pray. We’ll just ask the Lord just doing amazing work. And it’s just this great opportunity for equipping and training to take place through song, and Daniel’s right when it comes to just having a little worship moment. I think it’s Colossians and Ephesians talks about when you’re singing, you’re actually teaching and admonishing one another with song, through song. So you’re actually teaching other people through songs.

Daniel Markin:
Do you ever stop like during worship, stop singing and just listen to the people around you?

Isaac Dagneau:
I should.

Daniel Markin:
It’s amazing. I do it from time to time. It is amazing to me and to my soul because you realize you’re not in it alone. It’s like-

Isaac Dagneau:
No, no. That’s good, I appreciate it, Daniel. I think I’ve actually heard John Piper talk about that too. He was like he’s at the front all the time, and he stopped. Then he just felt like… I think he was talking about like almost like a wave coming over top of him and the importance of that. So absolutely.

Ben Lowell:
Joshua.

Joshua Scott:
Yeah. Even it was this morning, I was reading 1 Peter 2, and I was just reminded again of the point where Peter writes and says, “You are a holy nation, a royal priesthood of people for his own possession, and the reason you are such, the reason you have become such is to declare the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.” The reason I love Sunday mornings is because you gather with those who have been called out of darkness into his marvelous light. And together you lift high the name of your God and Savior. And what a joy that is to a soul to be able to stand next to somebody and think, “God has done this marvelous work in you, in me, and it is not to our praise. It’s not to our glory. It is to his glory.” And to have your eyes fixed together, it’s the community of believers standing together to say, “This is not us. God, to you be the glory.” That’s such a privilege to be a part of, such a joy to be a part of Christ’s Church, his body.

Ben Lowell:
Now isn’t it a matter of perspective that you guys are talking about?

Daniel Markin:
I think largely it is. I mean, there’s no perfect church. Oh my goodness, every one of us, we can look at our own churches and be like, “There is so many things going wrong there.” But it’s not about the church. It’s about the God that we serve.

Ben Lowell:
Yeah.

Daniel Markin:
Right. So we all have a part to play in that. If there’s things about the church that you don’t like, well maybe that’s an opportunity for you to get involved there and actually maybe like become a greeter, so that people are more friendly so that you can be a more welcoming presence at that church or maybe you don’t like how the coffee tastes. So that’s an opportunity for you to get involved with the coffee ministry or whatever. I think there’s just a way that we can help and bless each other in the church.

Ben Lowell:
So how would you help a young person get by this stigma of church?

Isaac Dagneau:
I think just helping them realize that it’s not this kind of worldly institution sort of thing that many churches have kind of made it to be. That it really is the people. Like Joshua was saying too, that it’s these people that have brought from God, like brought into this marvelous light from God. And you’re brothers and sisters together, and it’s a family. So I think just helping them know that it’s not just this kind of wall building kind of dusty sort of place. Because it’s not. Church is all the time. Church is all the time, and it’s with your brothers and sisters in Christ. So yeah, I would just push that. We have to push that all the time because we use the term church in all sorts of ways.

Ben Lowell:
I want to go a little bit into the ministry of indoubt. I would expect that we all have concerns about our culture and the challenges that young people face. What do you find personally… Personally, what do you find are some of the most significant challenges you face today in your walk? And we’re not talking about other people but you face today that you think you might have in common with the people indoubt ministers to. Joshua.

Joshua Scott:
Yeah. Yeah. That’s a great soul-searching question. It’s a very real question because I was thinking about this. Even just this last weekend, I went on a bit of a retreat. One of my assignments for school, and the whole retreat, I was wrestling for two days straight with just… As I was praying before the Lord, saying, “God, I feel like there’s more. There’s more that I could be doing to see my sanctification flourish, to see my likeness to Jesus Christ continue to grow. I feel like there’s more I could be doing. I could be reading my Bible more. I could be praying more. God, would you give me the strength to do these things?” And I just felt this burden all weekend.
Finally, I was driving home, and I was listening to a sermon. The preacher went on this long discourse of finally saying, “You need to know that your sanctification is not yours to complete. That the work of sanctification is God’s work in his people. He is preparing his bride to come and be with him on that last day. You get to be a part of it. You get to be an agent that God is going to use and you’re going to be able to work in the strength that he gives you. But in the end, that sanctification is his work in you.” And that was such a profound reminder for me that I struggle big time with taking my growth into my own hands, with thinking too highly of myself to think that I have the power to… Spurgeon, Charles Spurgeon uses this great illustration when he talks about sin in a Christian’s life. He says, “Trying to push back sin, trying to conquer it is like trying to push Niagara Falls back over its cliffs. Like you’re standing underneath, you’re trying to push the water back over the cliffs. You just can’t.” I don’t have that kind of power, and yet my pride so readily wants to convince me that I do.
I think that’s probably the thing I struggle with most consistently is thinking too highly of myself and failing to recognize that God is the one to do this mighty work in myself and in the people I lead, in my friends and my family. He’s the worker.

Ben Lowell:
That’s good.

Isaac Dagneau:
I was going to say you’re not the only one, Joshua. For anyone listening, it’s like that’s so huge, right? I mean, thinking highly of yourself, and that’s why we’re commanded not to think too highly of ourselves. Romans 12 or whatever it is. That’s a central one. Kind of piggybacking off of Joshua, I feel guilty after I preach every Sunday because I’m up there. I enjoy publicly speaking. So I have a different rhetorical devices, all that kind of stuff. But when I finish, I just feel kind of guilty because I feel like I’m not feeling the way that I’m sounding, and I’m just… I feel this guilt. I remember specifically this young adult who was 18 years old, he came up to me in January or so, and he just said, “I see God really working in you. I want that too.” I just felt so guilty because this was just after I preached. Maybe I came across as like I was this super spiritual, holy guy, and yet here I am just struggling with feeling.
So I think generally, I know it’s not just me, but I think possibly Daniel, Joshua, even you Ben, we all might struggle with just that, the feelings and the knowledge, the experience and the knowledge of our relationship with God.

Ben Lowell:
But it’s really counterintuitive, isn’t it, to our culture today because it’s so achievement-oriented. But the Word of God, God himself is counterintuitive to that because he’s saying, “I’m it. There’s nothing you can do on your own. I wonder is it just too hard for us to believe that there’s something out there that says, “I got it.” What do you think?

Joshua Scott:
Well, I think the reality of sin in our flesh is going to cry out every day, “Hey, no. You’re good enough. You’re strong enough. You can do it.” And it’s that profound work of sanctification that God is going to beat that out of us. He’s going to wrestle that to the ground. In one sense, you’re right. It shouldn’t be that hard. He’s almighty, powerful God. Why should we not believe that he can do that work? But there is this sin nature that will cling to us til the day we die. It’s going to cry out its own song of you’re righteous on your own.

Ben Lowell:
Yeah. Daniel, what’s on your heart there?

Daniel Markin:
I was going to add a comment to that. I heard a great… The old reformers used to say, “Sanctification is doing commerce with your justification.” So what I mean by that is when we talk about justification, that’s the moment you are legally justified, pronounced not guilty in the court of Heaven, right? Christ says, “You’re not guilty.” The Father says, “You are not guilty because of the blood of Christ.” So the sanctification, fancy word for like our growing to be more like Christ and slowly trying to become more Christ-like, and that means leaving behind aspects of our, and blind spots of our, sin that we have had in our past and changing and becoming… But he said the only way you can keep doing that is by doing commerce. When people in the business world go to each other and they’re business partners, they meet together a lot and they talk a lot.
And so when you do commerce with your justification, it’s remembering a lot of what Christ did for you because if you don’t remember it, and I think this is what I was going to say what’s one of the hardest things for young adults. I think it’s to remember because when we remember who we are and remember what Christ did for us through acts like going in worship, the sacraments, right? Like taking communion. What are you doing? You’re remembering your justification, the sacrifice of Christ. And when you do that, because of that, now you can live in a way that is Christ-honouring because if you don’t remember and you just try and do it, it becomes works-righteousness. I’m earning favour with God, and I’ve earned my way to God. See how great I am? Look how good I’ve done. Either it takes you… You get super prideful, right? As we’ve been saying, or it crushes you and you have no confidence. You are absolutely like crushed by the weight of that. But only when we remember what Christ has done, who we are in Christ, bring it back to identity. Only when we remember that can we live –

Ben Lowell:
Yeah.

Daniel Markin:
Differently.

Ben Lowell:
That’s right. It leads me to my last question though. What is a personal discipline that you’ve come up with that has really helped you in your daily walk with Christ?

Daniel Markin:
I can go first. The thing that… It’s funny, it’s ironic, right? Because we’re recording a podcast. But one of the things that has grown my theology and a lot of my love for the Lord is listening to good podcasts. Whether you’re driving or you’re doing dishes. I remember just a lot of times in college doing the dishes, and that was the time to not be thinking about anything. So you would just have a sermon going. So your mind is listening passively. So the way I think about it is over time just all of this theology and the Word and the Holy Spirit’s just also doing the work. But slowly it grows your understanding of God in ways that you didn’t quite realize, and then you start to remember things. Even when you’re maybe listening to a sermon and there’s something that’s said that doesn’t quite… You’re kind of like that doesn’t smell right, obviously you’re going to learn that through reading the scriptures, reading good Christian authors, spending time in prayer. But I just think podcasts are an amazing way to just have that kind of in the back of your mind, and just growing you in ways that you don’t actually quite realize.
So that is why this podcast is so important.

Ben Lowell:
Wow. That’s great. Isaac.

Isaac Dagneau:
Yeah. One of the things that I’ve done, take advantage of our technology nowadays, like podcasting and things like that, is just using my reminders app. So I have recurring prayers that go off at I think 6:55 a.m. every day, and there’s about six or seven prayers and they’re specific. And honestly, I… And sure, there are days where I’m just like, “Lord, I pray for this, pray for this, pray for this.” Click off. Done, done, done. And just move on. But if I didn’t have those down there, then I would probably have just forgot. So these things go off every single day, and then I’m just reminded to pray for these things because if I don’t, I’m going to forget. And Daniel is absolutely right, I’ll forget. It’s terrible, and it’s annoying. So take advantage of iPhone reminders to do that.

Ben Lowell:
There you go. Joshua.

Joshua Scott:
Yeah. I think the first thing that comes to my mind is actually trying to fit time into my life of actual just quiet thoughtfulness. That’s something I’ve just been freshly re-convicted of was just how quickly my day gets busy, how quickly my calendar fills up, and suddenly I realize I’ve done so many things for the Lord, I’ve done very few with him. That I want to be reminded that my life is now a life in joining a reconciled relationship with God. I want to walk with him as I walk with a friend. And so to take 30 minutes to take an hour and go for a walk and let it be as if I’m just walking with him. Walking and talking, and just to remind myself that the relationships I enjoy in this earthly sense are just a picture of this wondrous relationship that I now enjoy with God. I want to be reminded of that. So space for quiet thoughtfulness I think is important.

Ben Lowell:
You know what, thanks, guys. It’s been spectacular. The time’s gone by way too fast for me. I’d love to hear more and more. Thanks so much for being with us, and remember to join us again next week right here on indoubt.

Kourtney Cromwell:
Thank you so much for listening today. I’m super thankful for Joshua, Isaac, and Daniel in their willingness to partner with us in this new stage of indoubt, and to you also. Thank you for your willingness to listen and stay connected with us. So join us next week as we have Isaac back for the first time since last year talking with guest Christopher Yuan about his book, Holy Sexuality and the Gospel. Christopher shares about his life story, and Isaac and him discuss how we can think biblically about same sex relationships in our culture.

Kourtney Cromwell:
Thanks so much for listening. If you want to hear more, subscribe on iTunes and Spotify, or visit us online at indoubt.ca or indoubt.com. We’re also on social media. So make sure to follow us on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter.