Ep.35: Raising Kids Who Hunger for God

Andrew Marcus:

Hey, this is Andrew Marcus from THE INDOUBT SHOW. We have a fantastic show today. We have Phil Callaway from Laugh Again. He is in studio with us, and we also have Brian Pue from The Union Movement. He’s going to be joining us in the third chair, and we’re talking all about raising Godly kids and what that looks like. So, we really hope you tune in. You enjoy today’s episode.

Well, hey everybody, welcome to THE INDOUBT SHOW. We got a fantastic show for us today. We’re going to be talking about raising kids, or if you have nephews, or nieces, what it looks like to help train this next generation to love Jesus, to serve him faithfully. It’s going to be a great time. Chris, first, how are you?

Chris B.:

Hi. I’m good.

Andrew Marcus:

My favorite Chris. You must be tired. Yesterday-

Chris B.:

You say that every time.

Andrew Marcus:

I do say that every time because I mean it every single time.

Chris B.:

I appreciate that.

Andrew Marcus:

How are you doing though?

Chris B.:

I’m good.

Andrew Marcus:

Yeah. Yesterday was a long day?

Chris B.:

Yeah.

Andrew Marcus:

Lots of recordings, lots of stuff happening-

Chris B.:

I was officiary.

Andrew Marcus:

… which you will be aware of in just a few moments because our guest, not in third chair, but our actual guest-

Chris B.:

Yeah, our actual guest.

Andrew Marcus:

Is here.

Chris B.:

Yeah.

Andrew Marcus:

Actual guest.

He took his private jet yesterday.

Chris B.:

I think so.

Brian Pue:

Yes.

Andrew Marcus:

He is with us.

Brian Pue:

The G6.

Andrew Marcus:

The G6. Okay.

Brian Pue:

We’re going to take up an offering now, actually.

Andrew Marcus:

Okay. Before his theme song-

Brian Pue:

I’m sorry, man.

Andrew Marcus:

He just can’t help it.

Chris B.:

Jumping in.

Andrew Marcus:

He just jumps right in. Okay, so we have one of my favorites here in the room. How you doing, Brian?

Brian Pue:

Oh man, I’m doing great.

Andrew Marcus:

Awesome, man.

Brian Pue:

Happy to be here, man. It’s great to be back on THE INDOUBT SHOW.

Andrew Marcus:

You and Bonnie are doing such amazing work. We are huge fans here at THE INDOUBT SHOW.

Brian Pue:

We feel the love.

Andrew Marcus:

It’s amazing, man. And so we have Brian in third chair. Then we have a very special guest who was, that’s why Chris was up late yesterday. We have Dr. Phil.

Chris B.:

Yeah.

Andrew Marcus:

Nope, that’s copy written. Phil Callaway, ladies and gentlemen, Phil Callaway. How are you, Phil?

Phil Callaway:

Hey.

Andrew Marcus:

Settle down everyone. Settle down.

Chris Bredeson:

Party.

Phil Callaway:

Thank you.

Andrew Marcus:

Yes, it is a party. It is a party.

Phil Callaway:

Thank you. I’m just doing great. I get to see my wife today.

Andrew Marcus:

Yeah. So you get to go home today. So he was here yesterday and doing a lot of filming. And you leave right after this.

Phil Callaway:

I do.

Andrew Marcus:

But I’m so grateful that you get to spend some time with us.

Phil Callaway:

I can just walk out right in the middle. I want to see her that bad.

Andrew Marcus:

If we are delayed, he might just be gone. It’s like, “Oh, flight, I got to go.” Because your captain, your personal captain won’t wait.

Phil Callaway:

My Lear is waiting. It’s got 50/50 airlines on the side of it, so that’s not cool. By the way, Clara, my granddaughter, she’s six. She said, “I want to pray for you.” This was Saturday before I left, and she prayed, “Dear Jesus, help the pilot not to crash grandpa’s airplane into the water and give grandpa a good life up there.” So I don’t know if that was up there or what.

Andrew Marcus:

Say if the first prayer wasn’t answered.

Phil Callaway:

Yeah.

Andrew Marcus:

If the first prayer is unanswered, Lord, let him have a good time up there.

Phil Callaway:

You never know what kids will do.

Andrew Marcus:

So she covered all your bases. Six years old and she asked to pray for you. I love that, man. We’re going to be talking about kids today. That’s a fantastic segue because I have a five year old, a two year old, and you don’t know this, but we’re expecting baby number three. Did I tell you this?

Phil Callaway:

No, way to go. You probably did, but I’m a guy. My wife always says, “But they had quadruplets,” and you didn’t tell me. “Oh, that’s right. They did.” How many is that? 14?

Andrew Marcus:

I don’t even know.

Phil Callaway:

I think that’s quadruplets.

Andrew Marcus:

Quadruplets, and that would be four. Quadruplets is four.

Phil Callaway:

But yeah.

Andrew Marcus:

You had twins.

Phil Callaway:

Congratulations.

Brian Pue:

I That’s

Chris B.:

Half of their Well, you did not.

Andrew Marcus:

You did not.

Chris B.:

I did my part on the front end. And then Bonnie gave birth to twins.

Andrew Marcus:

Amazing.

Chris B.:

We’re done having children. By the way,

Andrew Marcus:

Are you that I think you could pop out one more.

Chris B.:

I had a little procedure this week and that took care This week. This week, yeah. I’m

Andrew Marcus:

62.

Chris B.:

I’m an optimist and you never have.

Andrew Marcus:

You look a little sedated. Thank you.

Chris B.:

Sorry. You you say something.

Andrew Marcus:

Get the man more ice. It’s already melted. It’s already melted. Please don’t

Brian Pue:

Chris has a look in his eye.

Chris B.:

What kind of show am I on here? Okay.

Andrew Marcus:

Okay. So granddaughter, six years old, praying for you. My boy often asks to pray for me, and we’ll lay down in bed and we’ll pray together. And it’s just the sweetest time. But we want to talk about grandkids and what does it look like and kids, what does it look like to raise godly kids? Some of you may have young children, some of you might be terrified to have children. But between the four of us, Chris, Brian, Phil, myself, we represent 14 children.

Chris B.:

14.

Andrew Marcus:

14 children. So we are being fruitful and multiplying. Well, you stopped multiplying, but we are being fruitful and multiplying.

Chris B.:

Yeah. There’s hope for you guys.

Andrew Marcus:

There’s hope for us. But you have 14 grandkids.

Chris B.:

We do. Yes.

Andrew Marcus:

So you have three kids.

Chris B.:

Someone asked me, you guys, are you Mormon or Catholic? And I said, well, we’re exhausted. That’s what we are. And we’re in grateful and happy. We really are.

Andrew Marcus:

Yeah, they’re such a blessing.

Chris B.:

14.

Andrew Marcus:

I’ve heard people say that the grandkids are more fun than the kids. If they knew how fun grandkids were, we would’ve just skipped the kids. And I’m like, well dude, that doesn’t actually work.

Chris B.:

It’s really difficult.

Andrew Marcus:

It’s very difficult.

Chris B.:

But they are better than actual children. They simply are.

Andrew Marcus:

And so if your kids are watching right now,

Chris B.:

Yeah, yeah. My kids, no, they will come. They’ll bring the kids over to the house and about after half an hour of me playing with the kids, I’ll say, oh yeah. Oh, son. Hi!

Andrew Marcus:

Yes. That happens with us too. We go to mom and dad’s house and it’s like, you just push us aside. Oh, okay. All right, cool. I see. I get it. I get it. But a lot of people are worried or nervous to raise kids in a time today. A lot of people worried about inflation, the cost of kids, all that kind of stuff. So you have three kids, 14 grandkids. You have six boys. We went to the beach the other day, a couple of weeks ago.

Brian Pue:

Yeah we did.

Andrew Marcus:

And it was

Brian Pue:

That beach didn’t see us coming, man. We rolled deep.

Andrew Marcus:

No, it was like entourage, man. This guy, A gangster rapper, posse.

Brian Pue:

Did you guys need a permit that many kids?

Chris B.:

Thought it was a protest or something that we were all rolling in there.

Andrew Marcus:

Yeah, there’s a protest. That’s hilarious.

Chris B.:

We’re having more.

Andrew Marcus:

Yeah, exactly. You get a lot of looks. I’m sure you guys get a lot of looks. Six kids.

Brian Pue:

Oh, just for me or just because of the family?

Andrew Marcus:

Well, for you personally with a sweater like that and your swagger.

Brian Pue:

Swag, yeah. No, we do, man. We get what A good friend of mine coined the phrase, the environmental stare because we’re having kids and we’re ruining the planet. Exactly.

Andrew Marcus:

The environmental stare.

Brian Pue:

Yeah. But man, we love it, man. Honestly, we got a full van and a full life. And I get that Catholic question too, like, oh, are you Catholic? No, I’m Protestant. I don’t know how say that.

Andrew Marcus:

Just being fruitful and multiplying. Seriously. Just being biblical.

Brian Pue:

My wife and I, we just push the beds together. You know what I mean? Praise the Lord.

Andrew Marcus:

And we praise the Lord.

Brian Pue:

Amazing.

Andrew Marcus:

You have godly kids. Your kids love the Lord. And it’s just so cool to see.

Brian Pue:

Well, just a second. They’re one and two.

Andrew Marcus:

Well, I mean, his first word was Christ.

Chris B.:

I’m kidding. No, your older 15 year old twins. Yeah,

Brian Pue:

I do. Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

Chris B.:

Some people would dead be enough to just send them running off into the woods. Yeah. Honestly, we loved the children. The teenage years we just did.

Brian Pue:

And I think we’ve tried to change our perspective on that, what everybody said, like, oh, they’re cute now, or they’re fun now. Just wait until they’re teenagers. And I think, I don’t know if it’s just the fact that we’ve been in youth ministry, young adult ministry for several years in our life that we just love the next generation so much. And we’ve been reading a book by Paul David Tripe called The Age of Opportunity. And just seeing those years as the teenage years is those are the age of opportunity to really impart into your kids. And so yeah, we’ve had more fun in these last few years as they’ve stepped into the youth age group I guess. We don’t use that term teenager, but that’s a whole nother conversation. But man, it’s so great. It’s a lot of fun. You’re absolutely right.

Andrew Marcus:

Every season’s different but has its beauty and chaos, obviously. But we had a guy a couple, was it last week? Yeah, last week. Matt Boga. And he was just talking about the blessings. Far outweigh the chaos 100% of the time, but a lot of people are afraid of the chaos. But man, the blessings, and I remember talking about this with you and Bonnie when you were on last season. People just like, oh, when we’re pregnant, all these people at church were like, oh, your life’s over. Oh, you might as well stop. You can’t do this and you can’t do that anymore. You’re not going to be able to sleep. And it’s just negative, negative, negative, negative. No one talked about the blessings. Even in my church family and baby came and I was like, why didn’t anyone tell me? I started having anxiety leading up to it. Literally had an anxiety attack, and they’re just the greatest gifts ever. Yeah.

Chris B.:

Well, we’re so incredibly self-centered, and there’s nothing quite like children to show us that. Because suddenly you have these children, we had three in three years. The anesthetic from the first birth was still working for the third. They came that fast. But you suddenly realize you just can’t pick up and go somewhere. You need strollers and you need all kinds of things. And kids, you have to try to remember to put the kids in.

Andrew Marcus:

Yes. Don’t forget them. And

Chris B.:

Then away you go. We’re selfish.

Andrew Marcus:

When we were packing up our car after we hung out at the beach, we’re still throwing in strollers and whatever, and then these guys just cruise in their swagger van and they’re like, peace. And I’m like, oh yeah. He has an entourage of people helping

Brian Pue:

Yeah.

Andrew Marcus:

Right Now our kids are little, so we have to do all the things for them.

Brian Pue:

I Don’t carry my own bags anymore.

Andrew Marcus:

This guy’s got all his boys just doing everything for him. No,

Chris B.:

I was a pack animal throughout those years.

Brian Pue:

I was a Sherpa

Chris B.:

Those years. Always carrying stuff for everybody.

Andrew Marcus:

Oh yeah. It’s crazy. Okay, so with your three kids and your six kids, what was it like or what are you guys doing in the context of your home to help just nurture this lifestyle and just teaching scripture to your kids? What did it look like? So you have three kids who love the Lord and now 14 grandkids and your 6 year old granddaughter is praying for you. Take us back to what it was like for you and Ramona raising kids. What things did you do to Help them be founded and rooted in the Lord?

Chris B.:

I was terrified to have children, and so is everybody. Now. In fact, four out of ten of your generation are saying no kids for us. It wasn’t that way back in the 18 hundreds for us, but

Andrew Marcus:

18, come on.

Chris B.:

I didn’t want to have kids. And then my wife stood before me in some rather expensive lingerie and said, honey, let’s have kids. tons of them. And it seemed like a great idea at the time. But these kids come along and they have no mute buttons, no instruction manuals, and no guarantees. So it’s quite a life. But I remember from the very start, people ask me, when did you become a Christian? And I tell them, May 31st, 1986, because that was the first time I held a little baby in my arms. I had never held a baby before. And I looked at this little guy, Steven said, my wife passed the widest smile I’d ever seen on her face. And I suddenly, it just smacked me. You have been for 25 years of your life, a hypocrite close to the church, but far from God, you’re holding in your arms the one little guy that you won’t be able to hide it from.

Andrew Marcus:

Wow.

Chris B.:

I went home that night, I knelt by an empty bed in an empty house, and I just cried out to God, said, this is way too big for me and make me real. I want this precious little guy to hunger and thirst after righteousness.

Andrew Marcus:

Wow.

Chris B.:

And if he won’t see it in me, he’s got two strikes against him already. And I think that was the foundation for parenting for me, was realizing that I can’t expect of my children what I’m not offering them. And to get on my knees before God every single day. It is too big of a task. But the joy that has come, I can say over all these years, our kids are now in their thirties. And really it’s by God’s grace alone that they’re walking with him because I’ve made so many mistakes. We all would say that, right?

Andrew Marcus:

Yeah.

Chris B.:

But man, oh man, they have forgiven me. I have learned I’m a good repenter. I’ve learned that with my kids.

Andrew Marcus:

That’s actually very important though. It’s a lot of parents try to just kind of you know, Move on or they’re too afraid to repent to a child.

Chris B.:

You go and you ask forgiveness. But when I was a kid, my parents, my mom dealt with incredible depression. My dad was raised by wolves. I mean, there were gunfights in his house. So how they parented anyone was just remarkable. And I was able to watch my dad every morning. He would sit at the table and he would eat, and he had this little devotional and he would read it. It was all scripture. And I just saw that I didn’t start to do that then. But I saw that. I saw my mom kneeling at the couch, at the rocking chair, and that forever transformed my parenting. So we start there, we start there, and I remember when Steven was four, Jeffrey was one, and we heard this conversation in the bathtub. They were Saturday night getting ready. It was bath night in our house. Once a year we bath and they’re in there and we hear this, Jeffrey, you have done sins is the four year old.

Andrew Marcus:

Wow.

Chris B.:

You have done sins? And Jeffrey goes, yeah, he’s one. You shall go to hell. He said, and Jeff goes, yeah, he’s drinking bath water. Yeah. And Steven says, but hell is hot. You don’t want to go there. And Jeff goes, yeah, then pray a prayer after me. And this four year old, four year old, he prays a prayer for this little one-year-old. And of course, the next minute he’s standing in front of us wearing a smile. And that was it. And he said, Jeffrey, just ask Jesus into his heart. And that was kind of our introduction to evangelism. We weren’t this kind of couple that was always trying to get them into the kingdom. It was just simply living our lives.

Andrew Marcus:

They’re watching.

Chris B.:

Reading to them great books, Bible story books sometimes, and loving them. And it’s the most natural thing now for them to be telling others about Jesus and living before their own children. So it’s been quite a ride.

Andrew Marcus:

Amazing. Amazing. What a story, man.

Brian Pue:

I know, dude. That wrecks me, man.

Andrew Marcus:

Seriously,

Brian Pue:

Dude. Yeah. Where you’re sharing about the first time you held your kids. I’ve cried every time, every delivery I’ve cried. It’s just such a beautiful gift. But I think that’s the thing that really keeps me broken and trying to just be humble before the Lord is knowing the potential I have to really mess up the image of God that they see. I heard somebody talking about that. It took them 25 years to wipe their dad’s face off of the face of God. And I go, that wrecks me. I want to let God keep me humble. Do your work in me so that my kids see, you see an authentic expression of who you are ya know? But yeah, it’s the greatest privilege is to be a dad. But it’s a lot of responsibility, man.

Andrew Marcus:

Yeah.

Chris B.:

Julian Lennon, John Lennon, the ex beetle, his son Julian said about him, the only thing my dad taught me was how not to be a father. He said, my dad could talk about peace and love out loud to the world, but he could never show it to those who supposedly meant the most to him, his wife and his kid.

Brian Pue:

What a travesty.

Chris B.:

Isn’t that something?

Brian Pue:

Yeah.

Chris B.:

So I know Martin Luther looked, he talked about how his own father was hard, unyielding and relentless. He said, I can’t help but think of God that way. Which is what you’re saying, wiping that image off. And thank God for a dad who loved me, didn’t say it until he was 78 years of age, his generation. But I remember where I was standing, and I never doubted that he loved me, but it was nice to hear it.

Andrew Marcus:

And even like so, even for like moms, dads, that’s a lot of pressure. That’s a lot of pressure.

Brian Pue:

It is

Andrew Marcus:

To, like…

Chris B.:

Well, I think, yeah, but the grace of God, I just keep coming back to it on airplanes. When I’m talking to individuals who find out I’m a Christian coming back to the grace of God, and we are not known for it. We sadly aren’t. We’re known more for what we stand against than what we stand for. And I remember just telling a lady the other day, it’s by grace, we’re saved through faith. It’s not of ourselves. It’s a gift. It’s not of works. We just boast about that. And it just, it lit up her face. She had been raised in Sunday school and hadn’t been to church in about 50 years. And she said, no, that’s what it’s all about. And I said, it is. It’s that relationship with Jesus, not a religion. So our kids need to see this through our humility, our ability to say, “I’m sorry”, “I didn’t get that right.” Or in the age you’re in, with 15 year olds being able to not always know the answer to their questions, but being thrilled that they’re asking them. There is no question in our home that was ever disallowed. It was, let’s talk about it. I don’t know. Let me help ya find out that kind of thing.

Brian Pue:

Our kids will have a tendency, if they don’t want to go to bed, they’ll ask me a theological question.

Chris B.:

Great ploy. It used to be a drink of water. I just wanted,

Phil Callaway:

Now it’s like, tell me about predestination.

Andrew Marcus:

It’s going to be a long night.Seriously.

Phil Callaway:

Will there be mosquitoes in heaven?

Chris B.:

Yeah, exactly.

Phil Callaway:

Okay. So you talk about Steven, four years old in the tub with Jeffrey Ministering evangelism. So I was going to ask the question, when is sharing, or I guess you share your faith and you live an example from the moment they’re born. But our boy was four years old when he had a book that he got from church where it just walks through the gospel message and at the end it’s like a prayer and explains sin and all that kind of stuff. And so Michelle was walking him through it, and then he said he wanted to do it. He wanted to pray and confess to sin Lord and accept Jesus into his heart. So he comes running down January 31, 1:30 pm It was like, it’s burned in my brain, but he comes do runs downstairs, daddy, daddy, I’m a Christian. And I’m like, what are you talking about? And he shows me the book and he just gave his life to the Lord. And I’m just bawling and just hugging him. And I’m like, it just seems like he legitimately gets it. He’s a very smart four year old. And we read Bible stories all the time, we’d all these different things. But I had doubts in my mind, okay, he’s four. Was it legit?

Chris B.:

I think you have brainwashed that child. You traumatized that child and you need to go and repent. Well, you don’t control that. I think he’s going to in time realize more of what he’s done. But he’s a four year old who lives in wonder and he sees a dad who loves Jesus. It’s one of the greatest gifts we can ever pass along is just simply, I think I remember the day I realized my children have gone from following the people who love Jesus to following him for themselves. And that comes later. That came I think a lot later for me.

Andrew Marcus:

Yeah.

Chris B.:

But Ezra get this, Andrew, just the other day, my daughter-in-law sends me a text. Ezra came up to her. She’s three. Keep in mind, he’s grown up in a home. They pray before meals. They love Jesus. They go to church. There’s no reason these kids wouldn’t trust them entirely because their parents who love them. And so he comes and he folds his hands. He’s three. He’s our adopted little guy, this indigenous fantastic little boy. And he says, “dear Jesus, come” he said, “build a roof over my heart and come live in it. I ask you to forgive me. I love you, Jesus, Aman.” Well, Ray, Lynn’s a mess. And I am, as I read this, because I know just to get on that road And start with him is one of the greatest things of all. We have prayed for every single one of our children and grandchildren That God would give them a soft heart, soften them Lord to the things of you. When we see that happen, there’s nothing like it, which is why you responded the way you did, But he’ll come to it. Understand more of that in time.

Brian Pue:

Yeah. I think too, we as parents, we can’t be responsible for making something grow, but you can water, you can obviously have to plant the seed, so the seed and the lives of your kids and water it. But at the end of the day, Paul says, it’s God who brings the increase. It’s God who causes this growth. And I think what you said is so important, just honestly, authentically following the Lord and having a real relationship with Jesus, not just like a superficial kind of just religious practice. Like, oh yeah, Jesus owns my Sunday morning, but the rest of my life is mine. But you’re constantly, and you’re talking about it too. I think they can connect with that, that it’s not just some weird practice, but it’s a real life relationship.

Andrew Marcus:

And so I wonder, there’s a lot of things being authentic and including the word in your daily life and prayer, praying over meals and going to church and kind of creating these rhythms and these structures to kind of help them navigate when they’re younger. What if we do all the right things and a child just says, no, I don’t want anything to do with it. How would you coach parents in that situation where they’ve tried everything they possibly could and the kids have wandered?

Chris B.:

Well, I think we all know those parents, right? And that’s why I’m almost hesitant to talk about this because I have close friends who have been truly amazing parents, and one or more of their children have walked away from God. So that’s Not encouraging to a young parent.

Andrew Marcus:

No.

Chris B.:

But if I could say something, I’d like to say a number of things, but I

Andrew Marcus:

Say a number of things.

Chris B.:

I’d say go easy on yourself. The old saying was, well, God’s kids didn’t turn out so well. I don’t know, whatever your theology is on that, but I do know there’s something super scary when you step out. I remember Linda Ronstadt, very famous singer back in the eighties, said this, I will never be married because to love someone that much, there is too much heartache. And she’s right. You open yourself up to love. There’s heartache, there is. But these kids, by God’s grace, have chosen to walk with him.

I spent Sunday morning part of it with a man who is determined that he will never, he’s on his deathbed and he is not going to bow his knee to Jesus. That’s it. And I don’t understand, it makes no sense to me. But pray for those kids that they’ll have a softness of heart. And if you’re experiencing that, go easy on yourself. Go easy on yourself. And I’ve talked to Franklin Graham years ago about being a prodigal, But he said, “I would come in at night and my mother would be there.” He said, “she never preached at me. She was reading her Bible. I was drunk.” He would come in and there she was, she’d be praying for him. And all she’d say was, “glad you’re home, son.” And he knew the right answers. So don’t be preaching at them, be loving them. Live a great example before them. As much as you can apologize when you haven’t, but God is sovereign and Never stop praying.

Brian Pue:

Phil, can you tell me the story or what would you say to your kids when they are trying to pray, but they feel like they can’t really connect with God? I don’t know if we’ve done a disservice, but sometimes my wife and I, the language that we’ll use is like, oh yeah, I sense God speaking to me through this passage. Or God was speaking to me, this and all these things. And it’s like, and then they take that into their trying to pray to God and be like, well, I don’t hear this audible voice, booming voice from heaven. How do you encourage your kids to stay faithful in prayer when maybe it feels like there’s not really that reply back or that sense of connection back?

Chris B.:

Boy, that’s great. I heard a story years ago of a guy, a priest who went to visit a parishioner in prison. And he was talking with him, and the guy said to his priest, he said, I cannot be forgiven after what happened last night. And what was that? He said, I spent the night yelling at God, cursing at God. And this wise priest said, we have a term for that as Christians. It’s called prayer. And there were times when my most profound prayer going through the valley of the shadow of death was help, help. And

I think when we’re praying with our kids, let’s be real, because life is hard and they need to see that you don’t have to pray a certain way all the time or just this little written prayer. Not that I’m against written prayers in any way, but that mom and dad are real, Are real. And celebrate answered prayer. Not hokey stuff, not the fact that my plane didn’t crash this time into the water like Clara prayed. I thank Clara for praying for me, of course, but let’s be real about it and let our kids be real. And sometimes they’re going to feel like yelling. And maybe they’re going to say, I’ve been yelling. That would be a wonderful thing to hear from them. But My favorite three prayers are help, thanks, and awesome. Because that’s what it’s been. I see a gap t-shirt coming now, and I know what it stands for. It’s God Answers prayer.

And I’ve watched this in these grandchildren’s lives of them coming to a place of understanding the gospel of Jesus Christ and saying, that’s what I want. I want that kind of love. A friend of mine that I was able to see come to Christ, he was an atheist and just loved to swear as much as he could around me. And it was great. Well, I just loved being with him and hanging out for pizza. But he said, when he saw my life And he was in our home and he saw what we were dealing with, that our children were smaller than he said, you know that foreigner song? I want to know what love is. He said, that’s my song. I would give anything to have the kind of love you have.

Andrew Marcus:

Wow.

Chris B.:

And I said, Frank, where it’s found, it’s not something great I’ve done. It’s by grace. And it wasn’t long before he came to Christ. And we pray the same for our children, don’t we?

Andrew Marcus:

Yeah. Yeah. Praise God, man. So good. Praise God. Thank you so much for being with us today.

Chris B.:

My pleasure.

Andrew Marcus:

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